Presume? If we hold to the same manner in which we share any other experience with those around us, we would ge bound to accept this. (edited with Chris Wlezien). When people insist that the Apostles Creed is where you have to start, its no wonder that you wind up with some people who dont believe in God and other people who dont believe in the World. Interesting Beau, thanks. These failures in relationships (failure to relate, especially failure to love) are far more damaging than our many failures to understand, our sessions of doubt or even our failures to understand how we know. But our access to the world of the Spirit is made possible by the existence of our own spirit. 2) Do their beliefs about God or Gods or whatever bring us to harming the other or the world, or bring us to healing and redeeming? Thank you Joseph. Eye-witness accounts on Mount Sinai, the Mount of transfiguration, the road to Damascus and on and on. Let us have both a precision of mind and openness of heart in dialoging on these matters. I think about that question a lot. There is no external mention of the writing until Origen in the 3rd century. Something that transcends your petty thoughts as to self, or day to day concerns, and fills you with so much love and gratitude and beauty that if feels your heart will burst. who made you need milk? From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? Now I understand that that rational certainty is a gift from God, but would you say that 1 John 5:13 is false or irrational or not to be trusted? . Every compound elements etc possesses shape and colour that attracts the senses. There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person. Slow chuckle. . It just begs the question, which one? I find cultural differences to be fascinating and rich sources in discovering what is possible within the human experience. . I suspect that leaving the Westminster cocoon could be unsettling, but you are still ensconced cozily in the moderate to liberal Christian cocoon. That is a blessing from God. The coding and operation of these systems is communicated in the sermons and recommended literature. Also, your point about eyewitness testimony is inaccurate. To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first century Palestine. Pete Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania, and co-host of The Bible for Normal People podcast. Regardless of Paul's (faulty, through no fault of his own) view of human origins, three very important elements remain in his theology, despite the acceptance of evolution: 1. In this episode of The Tentative Apologist Podcast we sit down with Dr. Peter Enns to explore a range of questions relating to the Bible, science and faith. Read Dr. Enns full CV, B.S. wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that its possibly an I witness account..the sin of certainty. Thanks for an honest perspective which does not offer more than can be proven. I find much of the tradition of Christianity over the last 2,000 yearsand most acutely in the generations of my life in Americato have failed what I consider to be the best centerings of the apocalyptic hope of Jesus of Nazareth. We also know how it may be tricked to produce the illusion of say motion or scale that is not really there. If I have the experience of perceiving spiraling motion when looking upon a static optical illusion, you cannot deny that I have the experience of perceiving motion. And we do this not by relying on our experiences at the subjective level as some private matter , but we take what can be shared about that subjective experience and put it on the table for all to look at and compare. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. I suspect it is because they are not comfortable with any other way of knowing. When a European team of scientists and an American team and a Chinese team run an experiment, the results are consistent. just try it i bet you gain their trust better. Professor; Executive Director, Roper Center for Public Opinion Research; Robert S. Harrison Director, Cornell Center for Social Sciences. straight into the night our hearts were flung And the one thing that every single wisdom tradition or religious group teaches is the way. Open your eyes to what there is to see, or let Jesus open them for you (Mark 8, by daubing mud) and I theres not that much problem. Indeed, it is a way of knowing that has been championed as part of the development of culture in the Western tradition, but to pigeon hole the method as somehow distinctively Western is to lose something about its universality in a universe that significantly appears to exhibit fundamental uniformity. Christian mysticism should . Enns's methodology seems to be in direct conflict with an understanding of Scripture that affirms one divine author (and therefore one truth), and with a hermeneutic that, for the sake of knowing God and his gospel better, seeks to bring the entire relevant teaching of Scripture to bear on a particular passage.36 This is the reason, it seems . And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. Perhaps the thing that could hold rationality, mysticism, intuition, etc all together is love- as a way of knowing. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation. 185-ca. I get your post. Proceeding ahead and remixing words just a bit, Thinking one can prove or disprove the existence of *any* God through rational analysis is to apply to *any* God a wrong way of knowing.. Not if hes using evidence in the sense Ive advocated for in this thread Pete. As is our collaborative aspects of the scientific method. By some measure, through Jesus of Nazareth and the ensuing religion of Christianity, a longing has been fulfilled; there has been great participation. In fact, there are now around two billion adherents to the faith. These "ancient, ambiguous, and. Interesting article. But may I pose this: Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. Peter Enns is a very appealing writer evidenced in his The Bible Tells Me So. This way of knowing, too, is a pluralistic way of knowing and can be reflected upon both with and without special pleading. One of the things about the Western way of knowing is that it isnt really a Western way of knowing. Or even what the cosmos is? Did you see the same thing I saw? Does it mean that same thing to you?. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. I also visited Westminster Seminary in my early 20s and purchased some books in the store there, caught a glimpse of Cornelius Van Til, and later I exchanged emails with Paul Seely on biblical cosmology, a WTS graduate. However, today, philosophers who reject Cartesian or Substance Dualism acknowledge that subjective states like color, pain, and thoughts are objectively real using empirical tools. Maybe even online? Could it well be that this spiritual sense is very prone to illusion as well? He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. It loads making sure we hold the correct beliefs with too much weight; we then shore up our set of beliefs in a fortress of impregnability, making them the source of our trust and so-called certainty rather trusting in the living God. If only she knew in her lifetime that more than just those nuns was going to be reading her works but many people would be influenced and inspired by her theology. 1. This discovered aspect is something that has given us shared trust in the way of knowing and ability to converge on what is true. While specific sins against a particular God, prophet, holy book, holy place, or sacrament, are as diverse as could be. One, what does God mean? . Knowing God is a life-long participation. (Isnt this another example of a way of knowing?). Pete Enns is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. But what we can do is employ language to describe those deep experiences in a way to see if we are alone in them or if there are other people who in the way they respond hint at having had the same shared experience as us. Thoughts. Eastern University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national and ethnic origin in its educational policies, admissions policies, scholarships, loan programs, athletic and other programs. Meaning external, physical evidence. Westminster Theological Seminary In opposition to this you may place the fruits of others and their understanding of God. Introduction: This article will be on the subject of God's wrath and retribution. After I became more of a questioner, and more curious about a lot of things I no longer experienced such manic-depression. Im familiar with various concepts of God. I think the proper locus of religious conviction can help one find meaning in a religion better than help one find a religion. What should be the impact? Lets not let a label lead us toward an equivocation. Really, evidence is simply a modern, western way of coming to belief or faith or knowledge? And I echo your sentiments on the value of a more actively contemplative way of life. Peter Eric Enns (born January 2, 1961) is an American Biblical scholar and theologian. Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Pete is a well-known bible scholar and is the Abram S. Clemens professor of Bible Studies at Eastern University in Pennsylvania. All of life is a response. I would take as examples of this people such as Jesus and the profound impact on the entire world for the good, that his truth has produced, and by extension, His Apostles and their experience. And it seems that these books coming out by Evangelicals who are now more tentative or moderate or courageously admitting they have doubts are a bit disingenuous, since they all seem to rely on being certain that the God of the Christian Bible exists regardless of ones doubts. Posts about pete enns written by Jesse Winn. The Christian trusts God even when things do not always make sense this tensions exists in the Christian message and story (but it exists in everyones story) the four Gospels are not shy in displaying this reality. The moronic Magic-Man-Fantasy was the human races greatest mistake. However, I tend to apply such experiences to relationships that I have with the people that surround me not to the deities of ancient cultures. Thoughts? D. Modl, Archologie zwischen Mur und . Their work involves moving from the phenomenon through the perceptual equipment to the physical biology that makes subjective states objectively real. His research and teaching focus on public opinion and political representation, mass incarceration and the legal system, and data science. Peter is 61 years old. We're raising 50k for our campaign. Rule out experience and youre forcing yourself into mysticism. Which faith offers the greatest fulfillment of the cosmos longings? prof at Westminster Seminary for his progressive evangelicalism, and has not identified himself as a universalist. Acts of Interpretation features essays by biblical scholars and theologians offering broad reflections on key interpretive issues, rich readings of challenging biblical texts, and interaction with the Christian exegetical tradition from Melito of Sardis to Dietrich Bonhoeffer.The contributors to this volume are leading figures in the theological interpretation of Scripture. . Try the works of John Hick, former Evangelical who became a fascinating philosopher of religion and sought a common transcendental basis for them all. So we have an eyewitness account of a historical event in which God reveals His great pleasure in His Son, Jesus Christ. Historically, I understand the Mystics predate the Enlightenment or Modernity, but I think it was Friedrich Schleiermacher who cut a swath through the rough underbrush of Empiricism to find a spiritual path that was immediate and subjective. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. I think the Mystics have something important to say. 610-341-5800. Biblical scholar and author Dr. Peter Enns will be in Lynchburg for a series of "Evolution Weekend" events February 15-16, joining with many other such efforts nationwide under the umbrella of the Clergy Letter Project.. Id suggest that this is even true among the authors of Scripture and with general trends by the centuries as well as across Fowlers stages of faith as well as by denomination and religion. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html And make sure you bring your oil along with your lamps as the bridegroom is a long time in coming yet always arrives soon. Enns-FR.jpg. It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. I get asked now and then, Pete, youre a reasonably intelligent guy, with a Ph.D. and everything. AMA. How could God (if He does exist) reject anyone who was honestly searching? He has written widely on hermeneutics, Christianity and science, historicity of the Bible, and Old Testament interpretation. Evidence: The heavens declare the glory of God. It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. After writing "Analysis of Rachel Held Evan's Book "Inspired" Part 1: Introduction" yesterday I noticed that Rachel Held Evans sees Peter Enns as a mentor. Im loosely affiliated with an international church (evangelical) in Beijing; and it is quite stark to me here how the Western mind (American in particular) shapes and engages with Christian faith. Scientists tend to understand everything through the lens of our basic five senses which reside in our body and soul. Twelve years later, Old Testament scholar Peter Enns has confirmed my suspicions, . I think it is safe to say that much of my academic journey has been a process of synthesizing these (and other) influences in my life. THIS IS CANCELLED: His main public presentation will be Saturday, February 15, at 8 p.m. in Sydnor Performance Hall, Schewel Hall, University of Lynchburg, drawing from . I use the words intelligent and basis. The question presumes that belief in God is something to be settled on the basis of intelligence, education, knowledge of facts, etc. You use the word sin in your title; I havent read your book, but I hope that in the discussion in the book you avoid much use of the term. Our Western universe has given rise to marvelous things (as you mentioned) but it has blinded us to other dimensions of the soul that reveal a much larger reality outside of our ability to reason or carry out prescribed functions. And there are child-rearing costs to and constraints concerning size of head vs. size of pelvis. Also, be sure to read the book rather than a blurb to see what I am after. And both stories end with a sacrifice to a deity. It seems like deep human contact or contact with God can exist only within the framework of these projects, based on the protocols of the overarching system. I am not sure that is the name. But parents in talking with each other can often immediately grasp when a fellow parent reveals that they share that same experience. My personal thought is that 11 Peter is one of the later books of the NT; likely written circa 125-150 AD. An Atheist that believes in God. But does anyone really need to write a book to make explicit what every religious person implicitly practices in terms of maintaining their beliefs and holy practices? One of the things Ive yet to see in Dr Enns and other Evangelicals take up of evolution is a robust address of its implications to thinking. And there is no one way to come to belief or faith in God, and in Christ our Savior. Although, both people and God can be disappointing in ways myself included. Objectively and factually so. So please do not think I am trying to quantitize it in some scientific sense. None the less, I believe in Democracy and think Iron Man is awesome. Why? As claimed, the Incarnation passed through our material and human existence. But, that we ourselves interact, relate, care, love is even more important. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias and is the author of several . If yes, then how are we to treat the writings from the same period by men such as Josephus or Pliny. Good concepts of God and faiths are ripe with irony and paradox in their making the world right. That said, I can see the contemplative Hindu or Buddhist saying the exact same thing. No- before the 70s it was safe for white little girls and boys to walk down the street correct yourself- thee was never a time in any country where there was absolute peace- even in the Bible. But as for the title, in the publishing world, titles are meant to be succinct and attract attention (which obviously worked).The book explains what I mean. in being with another person expressing love in ones flesh. . And look to see if theyre shared. That said, I can see the contemplative Hindu or Buddhist saying the exact same thing. As revealed clearly in the scriptures, God is raising up out of this raging cauldron of sin pain and suffering adopted sons(and daughters) who will embrace the process of being transformed by their tests and trials into those who will be worthy of ruling and reigning with Him throughout eternity. The gathered Body of Christ? He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. It sounds like you are on that path. What do you think of people like George Mller? St. Davids, PA 19087-3696 At Eastern Since 2012. Heh, that brings back memories of being taught as a child that every breath I took was the providential, direct action of Jesus. Of course, it helps that I have absolutely no expectations of him whatsoever. God means many different things to people. Concepts of God can propel or retard in this context. Got you. Perhaps agreat offense to many of us in the modern world is thatGod is not known in the way we are used to knowing many other thingswhich is a hard pill to swallow if youre committed to evidence-based knowing as the only path forward. Pete Enns critiques John Piper's recent remarks about the Jewish conquest of Canaan in the Old Testament. This is the third post in a series on how God speaks to us in Scripture, following a discussion on what the early church fathers believed about how that process happened and Kenton Sparks' adoptionist proposal of a sacred "broken" Bible.. Instead only their book features inspired writingsthe truth and stories necessary to believe, and of course conservatives, moderates and liberals differ concerning what that book really means or what the most essential and necessary lessons are. I get that I cant prove or disprove God or any God or really anything non-material thats at least logically consistent. In her book Shameless, Nadia Bolz-Weber argues for a new Christian sexual ethic that allows for moderate pornography consumption, one-night stands, same-sex encounters, and virtually any sexual activity that demonstrates a "concern for each other . Peter Enns' latest book is written in praise of question marks, especially those that crowd our minds when God goes missing. And whether that link between what you perceive or experience and reality is as strong as you think. Rather, knowledge of God is described by terms like: participation Talk of a vibrant Christian faith seems overblown. Knowledge of God is described by terms like participation, longing, , immediacy.. I realize that there is a long and rich history of discussion over difficult philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. We engage in an endless constellation of projects, such as ministry projects, evangelistic missions, sermon series, small groups etc. As if chosen by God to tell people who should be a christian based on their concerns regarding the bible. It went something like this: Your desire to employ empiricism as a means of knowing God; you are like a person in the middle of a realm with night-vision goggles, microscopes, radar equipment, headphones and such. As is knowledge of the Theotokos. I'm attaching my 6 page summary of Peter Enns' new book, Genesis for Normal People: Enns on Genesis.doc (55.5 KB) Dr. Enns attempts to simply explain for average Christians how many scholars read Genesis. Youre closer than you think. Why do I believe in God? But what is your source of the claim that God prefers paradox and mystery? IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? What does is look like to seek God? One big reason is that I am convinced I would already be dead many times over without Gods guidance. I think that if all religious believers could accept such limitations, and find in the penumbra thereof, that there is no certainty, and therefore, no grounds for believing to the exclusion of other faiths, wed find less conflict in this world. This is historically what the Church has always taught. . Peter Enns is an American theologian, author, professor, and Biblical scholar. In regards to ones intelligence, I am reading St Teresa of Avilas Interior Castle right now and in the first parts of it she refers to herself as stupid and if they (the nuns she is writing to) understand what she is saying, it is not herself that is speaking but it is God through her. Theists believe magic is real. " The Bible - from back to front - is the story of God told from the limited point of view of real people living at a certain place and time. Some people live with more uncertainty than you do. He has written or edited over a dozen books and many articles and essays. Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. Bradley Jersak (Author), Peter Enns (Foreword) 167 ratings 4.5 on Goodreads 141 ratings See all formats and editions Kindle $14.99 Read with Our Free App Audiobook $0.00 Free with your Audible trial Paperback $16.55 8 Used from $10.79 25 New from $13.67 Great on Kindle Great Experience. Or at least you have come near enough to listen and understand much of what Frank has to say. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. Just dont mistakethis as an argument for Gods existence. Its just where my thinking process is. I am married and trust my wife but like anything, marriage is a complete trust that the other person will be faithful (for better or worse) we live in the tensions of trusting people everyday (even strangers we do not know who drive vehicles). At the same time, I was taking philosophy and religion courses and was drawn to finding ways to explain my ongoing relationship/wrestling match with God-Jesus-Spirit. I didnt say anything about your knowledge of other religions. One thing that is crystal clear about Enns is that he hates rules. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). With this, I think wed not only find less conflict but more hope realized. Relationship is key, whether we are thinking about non-living parts of the cosmos, the living world, human-human relationships or human-divine relationships. 2 Peter 1:15 and following say For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. Namely the objective facts that these experiences are shared between many parents, that they have roughly the same qualia of experience, and that having a child of your own seems to bring them about. Not sure what the phrase, proper locus of religious conviction means, because based on my own interactions with a wide variety of folks I have noticed that people dont have the same attraction to mystical or spiritual thinking. And it is worth noting that my list is subjective too. " To love as God loves means loving not just others like us, but those who are not. Now to consider these values a bit, we can exercise some examples. One of the hallmarks of progressive Christianity is a rejection of biblical sexuality, and an affirmation of same-sex marriage and premarital sex. Previously he was a Senior Fellow of . There is none for 11 Peter, a writing a majority of critical scholarship places at some point in the 2nd century long after Peters death (Wikipedias page on it is a decent starting point showing the various arguments). He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. There are surely myriad of ways of knowing God In the provIsIons that are avaIlable to each one of us, As one is riding the Starlight Express propelled through time experiencing mAturity, old Age And deAth. In view of all that is eternal it would not be worth much to consider them other than to satisfy academic curiosity. But I dont think this way of knowing settles theGod question, since it presumes that God is anelement of the cosmos that occupies space and issubject to observation and testinglike a quasar, proton, or tectonic plateswaiting to be discovered or discerned through methods by which we know the physical world. Failures in relationships abound, and there is no need to belabour this with current examples. Evidence can be internal, which whether or not you rationally elaborate upon or take the direct perceptive route nonetheless still falls into that domain. If another person or group of persons has a different list, they have different values from mine. No different than if we observed sight to function so unreliably that 10 different people looking at the same event saw 10 substantially different things and this happened again and again and again and was in fact the norm. The Spirit? Usually we treat eye-witness testimonies as valid proofs of an experience, especially when they corroborate key elements of the same story (granted one can misinterpret what their senses tell them). not be confused with experience. These are subjective, private experiences. The other day he wrote a post that he entitled Why I Don't Believe in God Anymore. First, note the way I phrased the staged questions above. I dont think God would. Good point. I am not embarrassed by it at all. But let us then continue this comparison to Buddhism. But It comes at a high costthat of calories to feed the brain. Tweets at @peteenns. . For instance, some have hypothesized the benefit of aggressive agency detection. This happens not in our mind, but in our spirit. pages we were years from learning He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. 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