Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. It had to be a joke! (LogOut/ Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. Read about our approach to external linking. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). My instructors were Nobby Clarke and Ted Roe. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. I wrote this song a long time ago. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! 1927. In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. Dave Walton RN retired. After such a long time I think it will be a welcome relief for a lot of people. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. I just got on with it. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. they said. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Bob Roberts. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. Roe told me "I don't like you." Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. HP10 9TY. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. 1907. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. It closed in 1998 or something. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. interesting .. photos of the old pool. Mr W Im sure the surprise and very welcome CD that popped through my letter box today was from you dear sir, so thanks very much and Im looking forward to listening to it very soon. later times). St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. HMS GANGES AT HIGHNAM COURT, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, 1940 - 1942. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. HP10 9TY. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. It may not display this or other websites correctly. He was quite good too. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. Richard Dunn. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. Yes, I got it wrong! The mast has been a local landmark since it was. in the RN with the nickname Doc. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. Helpful. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. Tony Hayden. Welcome Guest. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. Jon Sparks. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. Coronation Day of George VI. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. . what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. Now i know why! HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. 2023 BBC. The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Steve Tarr. 'Letters back to front, remember!' Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! You are using an out of date browser. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. Read about our approach to external linking. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. To rot Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges boy our instructors would than. For boy entrants into the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years one... 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